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"Anne Will" on climate protection: "Windless night is a problem"


Carousel of the party president with Anne Will: after last week, the CDU leader Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer and the interim leader of SPD Malu Dreyer were guests, this time the head of CSU Markus Söder, the president of Green Party recently confirmed Annalena Baerbock and FDP leader Christian Lindner discussed the topic "Between the economic crisis and climate protection – how safe is Germany's prosperity?" The only non-political of the round was the energy economist Claudia Kemfert of the German Institute for Economic Research.

The tone of the evening: In a frivolous constructive way – not unpleasant after the recent partly convulsive Illner talks about the brutalization on the Internet. "I can immediately express your opinion", denied Christian Lindner because of an interruption by Markus Söder, who in turn Anne Willingly ironically titled "honorary president of the Greens" because of her "selfless dedication to bees" , for which Annalena Baerbock offered him a membership application. However, the different points of view were clear.

Debt brake dispute: After the decision of the Green Congress to relax the debt brake, which the last two of the five economies had demanded due to stagnant growth, Anne Will brought the matter to the Tapet. Clearly, said Christian Lindner. After all, the investment funds provided by the state are often not recalled at all, with 40 billion euros still in the reserve. Instead of new debts, accelerated planning procedures are needed. Likewise, Söder, who has preferred to cut taxes on companies and reduce bureaucracy to promote growth. Baerbock stressed that the Greens wanted to ease the debt brake "only in the context of European stability criteria". Instead Claudia Kemfert decided decisively to invest in state-owned start-ups "in future markets", so the market would have already followed.

Ban on fossil combustion engines: While according to the plans of the Greens only cars without emissions have been admitted since 2030, the Bavarian Prime Minister warned of a "small-scale war" against the car. Baerbock defended the decision of the Congress: this "clear message" also concerned the "security planning" for the economy, because companies should know in which direction the investments were worth. "This will cost many thousands of jobs," Lindner predicted and campaigned to promote synthetic fuels. After all, there are internal combustion engines that can run on carbon-neutral hydrogen. Where does this hydrogen, Claudia Kemfert, use green electricity? In the automotive sector, the method was "not yet cheap," agreed his Baerbock. Söder, meanwhile, gave the mediator funny: "There are great politicians here in the room, so good, but what technology prevails on the world market, we don't decide".

The surprise of the evening: Incidentally, "it was not in principle against the prohibitions", for example Christian Lindner, said that he had forbidden the destruction of the chicks. In the case of CO2 emissions, however, he insisted on the pure teaching "The market will regulate": even if it has maintained a limit – but then consumers and mature entrepreneurs should look for roads there.

The autarchic discussion of the evening: It was "a lie in life" to believe that "Germany could be self-sufficient in terms of energy," said Lindner, to which Baerbock and Kemfert told him that no one believed it. "They created cardboard partners," Baerbock accused him, of course, we need to "think together with the European energy market". So why not create "a green hydrogen infrastructure from southern Europe?", Lindner spoke up. So Söder felt the danger of a double standard: to rely on clean electricity in Germany, but then buy some from which no one knew where it came from – perhaps even from an oil-fired power plant from Poland?

The debate on the wind in the evening: In the last third of the program it was wind energy, even on the occasion of the current bill by the Minister of the Economy Peter Altmaier, according to which the minimum distance from wind turbines to houses must be 1000 meters. To this end, a wind farm operator was charged as a victim, who called the project a "pure disaster", particularly in the sprawling Schleswig-Holstein. When Anne Will asked the leader of the Greens that the Brandenburg Greens had voted in favor of the gap, Baerbock gave a start, but recovered: it was a "small difference" that the 1000-meter rule was not for farms, but only for villages and cities can apply. Since the draft of Altmaier must be correct. Markus Söder, on the other hand, did not want to be involved in this debate and quoted the Bavarian topography: "We have mountains and valleys, with us the wind is not whistling so well". But the sun shines the most in Bavaria, which is why photovoltaics play a more important role.

The note of the director of the evening: "We hold firm: we are in the midst of a special discussion on wind energy", said a visibly annoyed FDP leader, this "direct suggestion" that is granted. Lindner, who would have preferred to talk about cars, went to court with the force of the wind in court: he is "produced on a large-scale phantom power", which is not used because lines and memory were missing. "The windless night is a problem", assisted Markus Söder, whom Lindner recorded: "The dark recession" was a "big problem". However, Anne Will found a conciliatory conclusion: "Today we learned very beautiful words".